Thursday, March 06, 2014

Ford Excursion Update : General Grabber Tire Reveiw

When my 2002 Ford Excursion Limited with a 7.3L diesel motor was new to me, the shoes it was wearing were a set of 285/75-18 Toyo M/T tires.  I've never had a vehicle with tires this large.  They were pretty used up at the time and I new they'd need to be replaced sooner than later.  To Toyo's credit, the tires lasted  far longer than I ever imaged they would.  In addition, they drove better on the daily commute of 32 miles than I expected.  When snow hit the area where I live, I had no choice but to drive the Toyo's through the snow covered streets and they performed really quite well, given they were 85% done.  With the center tread mostly gone, hitting any standing water on the road presented a white knuckle moment. The only real issue that I have with the Toyo's is the noise they generate on the freeways.  The howling is quite significant. Obviously with a heavy vehicle and a diesel motor capable of generating significant noise, this isn't a quiet vehicle but the howling of the tires is annoying.

I began researching tires to replace the Toyo's.  My first thought was to replace the tires with an all terrain tire of the same size.   The search proved difficult since there are very very few choices for similar sized tires that have a load rating capable of dealing with this large head vehicle.  The load rating needed for this vehicle is E. 
Load RangePly Rating
A2
B4
C6
D8
E10
F12
G14
H16
J18
L20
M22
N24
 Many larger tires are delivered using the alternative load index shown below.  
CodeWeightCodeWeightCodeWeightCodeWeight
60250 kg (550 lb)80450 kg (990 lb)100800 kg (1,800 lb)1201,400 kg (3,100 lb)
61257 kg (567 lb)81462 kg (1,019 lb)101825 kg (1,819 lb)1211,450 kg (3,200 lb)
62265 kg (584 lb)82475 kg (1,047 lb)102850 kg (1,870 lb)1221,500 kg (3,300 lb)
63272 kg (600 lb)83487 kg (1,074 lb)103875 kg (1,929 lb)1231,550 kg (3,420 lb)
64280 kg (620 lb)84500 kg (1,100 lb)104900 kg (2,000 lb)1241,600 kg (3,500 lb)
65290 kg (640 lb)85515 kg (1,135 lb)105925 kg (2,039 lb)1251,650 kg (3,640 lb)
66300 kg (660 lb)86530 kg (1,170 lb)106950 kg (2,090 lb)
67307 kg (677 lb)87545 kg (1,202 lb)107975 kg (2,150 lb)
68315 kg (694 lb)88560 kg (1,230 lb)1081,000 kg (2,200 lb)
69325 kg (717 lb)89580 kg (1,280 lb)1091,030 kg (2,270 lb)
70335 kg (739 lb)90600 kg (1,300 lb)1101,060 kg (2,340 lb)
71345 kg (761 lb)91615 kg (1,356 lb)1111,090 kg (2,400 lb)
72355 kg (783 lb)92630 kg (1,390 lb)1121,120 kg (2,470 lb)
73365 kg (805 lb)93650 kg (1,430 lb)1131,150 kg (2,540 lb)
74375 kg (827 lb)94670 kg (1,480 lb)1141,180 kg (2,600 lb)
75387 kg (853 lb)95690 kg (1,520 lb)1151,215 kg (2,679 lb)
76400 kg (880 lb)96710 kg (1,570 lb)1161,250 kg (2,760 lb)
77412 kg (908 lb)97730 kg (1,610 lb)1171,285 kg (2,833 lb)
78425 kg (937 lb)98750 kg (1,650 lb)1181,320 kg (2,910 lb)
79437 kg (963 lb)99775 kg (1,709 lb)1191,360 kg (3,000 lb)
Many of the options I found were not rated high enough to support the load and capacity of my truck.  I visited the Les Schwab store in Wilsonville Oregon during their big Fall tire sale.  The previous time I visited the store I was told that the best price on large Toyo's was during that sale.  The quote for a set of 4 Toyo ATII tires was outrageous.  My next visit was to America's tire in Wilsonville Oregon.  A.J. helped looking up a series of options to address the load problem and noise problem.  It boiled down to two choice:
I've had a set of BFG TK's before and found them to be amazing tires.  The set I had on my previous Ford Excursion were siped before they were installed.  The total miles I got out of this set of tires was horrible.  I attribute this to the fact that a vehicle this heavy should not have siped tires.  As you can see from the 127 weight rating, this large set of BFG's would more than handle my Truck.  The other option, General Grabber's, are more traditional looking M/T tire.  The General Tire provides a look and capability that is more in line with a lifted 4WD Excursion.  The design of the tire is such that typical road noise is greatly reduced. 
Review So Far
After two days of driving, my one word review is amazing.

Why?  First, driving down the road (pavement) at 35-45 mph, there is no noticeable road noise.  Driving down the freeway at 60-75 mph there is very little whining from the tires.  The tires drive very smooth.  They probably need a little more air.  The initial installation pressure was 50 psi.  I believe I'll settle on 60psi rear and 55psi front. Yesterday, on the drive home from work, the rain was falling and the location just before getting on the freeway where there is a large puddle of standing water was just ahead.  With the old used Toyo tires I'd avoid this water.  This time I accelerated through the deepest section of the puddle and nothing.  No feeling of instability and very little side splash - the tires seemed to simply pump the water right through. 

When I get the chance to drive off road, I'll provide additional data.

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